And I had the vibe that, in order, to "call" the record in the way Leta did, you need some blood connection. Maybe she only knew he wasn't Corvus. It might be a mislead. Aberforth Dumbledore (b. i’m tired of living without no name, without no history. Credence was supposed to be 18, or less. How did Grindelwald find out about Aurelius Dumbledore? This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. He was in Albus's shadow, as his brother was an extraordinarily talented and academic Wizard and even despite his great duelling talent, he was still incomparable to Albus in the field he specialised in. Their lifeboat sailed to safety… Aurelius Dumbledore.” With that, Credence turned to the nearest window and, using his new wand, channeled the power of his Obscurus to shatter the glass and bring down half a mountain. 5)The reason we never knew Albus had a cousin is because after the ship sank Honoria died and they though the baby also died with her. Hell, she could have been married and have him, and the prophecy wouldn't be wrong as he still has Dumbledore blood, just not the surname. Honestly, it makes sense, and I feel adds to the overall plot. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Aurelius looked at the lining of the trees, trying his best to ignore the weird grin the Caretaker was giving him. Even if you don't agree (it does seem just a teensy bit out of character for Dumbledore), you have to admit that this is a pretty insane idea. Who is Aurelius Dumbledore? Irma seems the best (and only) candidate. Maybe he will learn that it was the same ship his aunt was on in the next movie, and start to have his suspicions. Dumbledore’s Parents. Reddit; Mail; Embed; Permalink ; Bohemian Rhapsody. I mean, a lot was cut out, and by trying to make JKR's story more simple and straightforward the filmmakers made it less coherent. Yes, I know what you mean. I think she might be Honoria. He’s desperate for family. Could this be a hint to the auto-protection some magical children have? In any case, do we know what happens when it’s impossible to fulfill an unbreakable vow? Press J to jump to the feed. Fantastic Beasts 3, the upcoming film set in J. K. Rowling’s wizarding world will begin production in Spring 2020, according to WizardingWorld.com, TL;DR: Basically Aurelius might be the son of Honoria, Albus Dumbledore's aunt on the father side, which makes him the cousin of Albus Dumbledore. I can completely see Credence/Aurelius singing Bohemian Rhapsody. After Newton Scamander refused to assist the British Ministry of Magic, Grimmson was hired to travel to Paris in order to kill Credence Barebone. I think that I can pacifically affirm that that wasn't a phoenix, as phoenixes canonically work in the opposite way, both in powers and behaviour. Doch jetzt tauchte ein Video auf, das ihn beim Liebesspiel mit Micaela Schäfer zeigt. They chose 1926 for aesthetic reasons, they made a set and decorations and it was just too late to change time period when they decided to shift the focus to Dumbledore and Grindelwald. November 12, 2018 Aurelius Dumbledore is the lost brother of Albus Dumbledore, revealed by Gellert Grindelwald to Credence Barebone at the end of “Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald”. But in reality Leta saved Aurelius from the ship. It wouldn't have escaped from Rita Skeeter for sure. In the end it's just as easy as 'Credence is really person (insert random name)' and that's it. (1) Visions usually show the future. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. When his magic saved him from drowning. She is the women in the ship with the baby Credence/Aurelius. Or I might be wrong and she is not Honoria at all. Demi Michelle Schwartz is a writer for The Rowling Library Magazine and the Hufflepuff host on Lumos Maxima. Grimmson accomplished his task during a swift attack. And she didn’t care about his aunt. (4) About the timelines I think that, if they wanted to change timelines, they would've made it since FB1. He’s desperate for family. Due to the repression of his magic, Credence developed a dark parasitic force known as an Obscurus and became an Obscurial. He attended Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry between 1895 and 1902. Creedance is being manipulated into fighting Albus. I don't know if it was mentioned somewhere in your post, but I would add something to your theory that Corvus V is still alive: The script states in scene 109 that there were magical light bubbles trailing from the sinking baby. Or maybe she forgot her own timeline. You are putting 10 times more thought into it then the writers. In fact, when … Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. She has many alternative theories on FB that sometimes give different explanations, so all of them can’t be true, but I admire her thoughtful approach, how much she knows about history and mythology and her ability to link it to FB. Credence cannot be the son of Albus Dumbledore. This is a really good theory, but there’s just one thing that confuses me. When Commodus succeeded her father as emperor and, sometime between 190 and 192, he ordered the deaths of Cornificia’s husband, her son, her brother-in-law and her sister-in-law’s family. Nearly destroyed by the woman who raided him. The Avenging will happen once Albus Dumbledore defeats Gellert Grindelwald in 1945! Grindelwald’s entire character arch has been as a duplicitous liar/manipulater. Credence attempted to stop an… Just tell me my story… then you can end it.” “Credence Barebone. Cookies help us deliver our Services. How would she be his Honoria, if she was listed as Credence’ aunt in the credits? Dumbledore’s Parents. Also if he got the information from Irma, t her l And Leta's (brief) arc would make no sense if she wasn't the only wielder of the secret of the swap. This theory claims that in that so called “summer” that Grindelwald spent with the Dumbledores, the dark wizard raped the youngest Dumbledore sibling and the product of that crime Aurelius was born. Credence Barebone was born around 1901, allegedly to the Dumbledore family, as Aurelius Dumbledore, according to Gellert Grindelwald.In 1901, Credence was taken by his aunt on a ship heading to America. If Dumbledore had a son, there would be at least one person on the planet that would know about it. Having finally been swayed to the side … Think about Neville who fell out of a window and bounced in the garden like a ball. While most … Let's unpack everything we can. He probably did his research on Dumbledores years ago, but thought that those two died when the ship sank. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. Also, getting out of the story, I think that the actors who play Abernathy and Corvus IV really resemble one another. But giving your audience another Dumbledore character and than saying it's fake later will be frustrating to all the fans. Aurelius Dumbledore is a totally new name that we’ve never heard before, and certainly Dumbledore had never mentioned a dead brother. I think that Corvus V Lestrange must be, in some way, still alive, because of the Unbreakable Vow that hasn't killed Yusuf Kama yet. We need theories to try and uncover Rowling's original story. (until that guitar comes in– then it’s Albus at Gellert, all the way). Aberforth attended Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry between 1895 and 1902. It can't be Credence, because technicality he had never been underwater. Facebook Twitter Flipboard Reddit Pinterest WhatsApp. Dumbledore… fantastic beasts the crimes of grindelwald SpoilerAlert credence barebone aurelius dumbledore jk rowling. Initially WB wanted a documentary-style film about Newt and his beasts, but Rowling went and created a whole new story and a bunch of new characters. She’s notoriously bad at math, remember? As to him growing rapidly etc. Grindelwald discovered Credence's true identity through his visions and 3 months of research. Rest it dropped. While I liked everything about the niffler in the first film, here it seems a really pointless addition (good thing they cut the most if it). Maybe there were just 2 babies on the ship. In dem heutigen Fantastic Beasts 2 Video präsentiere ich euch eine Theorie von mir, die sich mit Aurelius Dumbledore wahre Identität beschäftigt. He’s desperate for love.” - Gellert Grindelwald. So that was one part of Dumbledore’s family history that Skeeter had no means of recovering. Alfonso Gomez-Rejon Yes, Credence Barebone is actually Aurelius Dumbledore, and we’ve got some theories to make sense of it. Imo, the main plot of FB2 was good, but badly executed. WB is pushing it, not JKR. Of rebirth, finding your inner strength, being an extraordinary person… You’re right, it’s a sort of initiation. If that's the case Jo has to deal with all the fanbase rage. That’s why I believe that it’s a real phoenix and not some trick of Grindelwald’s. I'm also interested in the exact wording of the Unbreakable Vow and who the third person was who made the vow between Yusuf and his father. that’s just a goof of the special effects department. and as the final proof – a phoenix has come to Credence. Really, Corvus must be alive because Bellatrix married a Lestrange. This point is important because the pheonix is, for now, the only (apparent) evidence of Credence=Aurelius Dumbledore. She was once engaged to a wizard who worked in the Improper Use of Magic Office, but broke off her engagement to him, claiming that he had a "hairy heart" (a wizardingexpression for a person who is unfeeling). Honoria was a Britishwitch and the spinster aunt of Albus Dumbledore. (2) I don't think that the pheonix proved that Credence is a Dumbledore. (2) A phoenix is a powerful symbol. Furthermore, the name Grindelwald gives Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore. She raised him alone and thats why we don't see a father figure in the sinking ship scene in the Crimes of Grindelwald. Or she knew the whole truth. 3 will be no different. (5) Susan Sipal is a great theorist. All we know for certain is that he can’t really be Albus’ brother like Grindelwald says for several reasons. KATHERINE WATERSTON as Marguerite Westinghouse in The Current War (2017) dir. Next to him, Hagrid was being briefed by Professors Dumbledore and Flickwick. Why Grindelwald was willing to risk her telling him, if, as it seems the case in the first draft, he didn't order Grimmson to kill her? Der junge Zauberer Credence Barebone soll in Wahrheit Aurelius Dumbledore der Bruder der Dumbledore Geschwister sein. Yet now he seeks the mother who bore him. requested TL;DR: when it comes to Aurelius Dumbledore there are three option. He’s desperate for love.” Also, there is no mention of Dumbledore having a relationship with anyone. He could’ve been researching old archive records on Mary Lou, and found out about Irma and that she was on the same ship with two Dumbledores (aunt and a baby). 3)Honoria being a spinster is such a weird information to give to your readers. Such as showing characters who should not be alive yet. I take this (long) post as the opportunity to congratulate to Susan Sipal who (IMHO) is a great searcher, a never-banal commenter and stands out when she cleverly analyses the Wizarding World with all its facets and its connections to mythology, literature and history. Also he is the only known Obscurial known to past the age 10 which shows that he is very powerful and could be linked to a powerful wizard family. He was switched in the crib by a young Leta Lestrange for her half-brother Corvus because he was crying. What's the craziest theory about Aurelius Dumbledore that you've heard? Are there any you've come up with yourself? According to the press release, actress Fiona Glascott has been cast as no other than Minerva … Why else would she change his age? My personal favorite theory is that he is a Homunculus (theory of S.Sipal on youtube) But I believe Rowling will go for the simplest and most natural explanation. He deduced that Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore, a boy that was also on that ship but is now believed to be dead. Dumbledore was born in 1881, meaning he is about 46 years old when the events of Crimes of Grindelwald take place.When we meet Credence in Fantastic Beasts and Where to … Or, at least, there is/was a Dumbledore named Aurelius. Fantastic Beasts aesthetic : Credence / Aurelius Dumbledore “Who i am ? I don’t think Grindelwald made up a whole new person. (That’s why it’s Aurelius Dumbledore, rather than Aurelius <>). Der 2te Teil von Fantastic Beasts ist nun endlich in den Kinos angelaufen und das nehme ich zum Anlass mein erstes Video dazu online zu stellen. pure blood. But why Grindy decided to choose Abernathy for supporting Vinda, instead of, for example, an acolyte who could speak French? If they planned to make another Dumbledore pop up, then they would've, for example, made the ship sink 2 to 5 years before. In the final moments of the new film, Grindelwald reveals a crucial secret to Credence: Credence is the long-lost younger brother of Albus Dumbledore himself — and his real name is Aurelius. Curator of the /r/RowlingWritings reddit collection, and the lead of the old jkrowling.com preservation project, as well as an active member of The Harry Potter Lexicon, Science Fiction Stack Exchange, and various reddit communities. Yet now he seeks the mother who bore him. I mean: I can see him sending Vinda who seems to be his deputy for such s crucial mission. Dumbledore states that she was a spinster.Spinster is a term referring to an unmarried woman who is older than what is perceived as the prime age range during which women should marry. (3) First of all, if there was another Dumbledore, it remains unlikely that everyone in the magical community knew that 2 Dumbledores died/were in that ship. To be a Dumbledore, Credence and Albus would at the very least have to share a father in Percival Dumbledore (if not both parents). Of course, he'd still need proof. When Grindelwald poses as Graves he definitely didn’t think Creedance was a Dumbledore. Or, at least, there is/was a Dumbledore named Aurelius. We don't know if she is the sister of Percival(Albus' father) or Kendra(Albus' mother). Bei „Bachelor in Paradise“ war Aurelio sofort verzaubert von Sam. Dieses Geheimnis offenbart Gellert Grindelwald Credence auf dem Schloss Nurmengard, nachdem sich Barebone dem Schwarzmagier … Before DH it was widely believed to be around 1840. “So, what did they get you in for?” He researched Dumbledores and Lestranges. I always felt brother was off, but family member still felt right. Gellert Grindelwald's acolytes were a devoted group of followers comprising the inner-circle members of the army gathered by the Dark Wizard Gellert Grindelwald.1 1 History 2 Known members 3 Appearances 4 Notes and references In 1927, they accompanied Grindelwald to Paris to assist with his plans in recruiting Credence Barebone. Perhaps that’s because the Dumbledore name was lost decades/centuries ago by marriage– and now it’s finally being restored! i’m tired of living without no name, without no history. Today Warner Bros. released the full cast list for Fantastic Beasts: “The Crimes of Grindelwald and someone truly important to the Harry Potter world came up among these names.. I think she might be Honoria. I won’t try to guess how he came to be or how exactly he is related to Albus Dumbledore: I think there are some facts we don’t know yet, we should wait and see what Rowling will reveal about this family in FB3. Today Warner Bros. released the full cast list for Fantastic Beasts: “The Crimes of Grindelwald and someone truly important to the Harry Potter world came up among these names.. That is weird and I think the reason for that is for the surname "Dumbledore". I think that, if Credence reveals to be a Dumbledore, then we'll see that Grindy needed that sort of baptism in order to successfully recruit the boy, that was in his most desperate moment. It was more of a background. The only information we know is she had a fiancee but they broke up. IMDb is not a great source when it comes to credits. 41 notes Jan 23rd, 2019. The film soundtrack even plays a song called ‘Restoring Your Name’ whilst Grindelwald conducts the Dumbledore-reveal. Exactly, everyone's going for the brother, yet the prophecy never said the Dumbledore had to be a sibling/parent of Albus, they just needed to be a Dumbledore by blood. I don’t think it was originally intended to be a story about Grindelwald’s rise and fall. According to the press release, actress Fiona Glascott has been cast as no other than Minerva … I don’t think Grindelwald made up a whole new person. But only Grindelwald knew that Credence isn't Corvus. That leaves Credence as possibly a Dumbledore. 1)Everyone in the Dumbledore family we know has a name that starts with the letter 'A'. He apparently isn’t a random orphan: he’s Aurelius Dumbledore, the lost scion of the Dumbledore family and alleged brother to Albus and his siblings, Aberforth and Ariana. Also, Kendra Dumbledore died in 1899, so she couldn't have given birth to Credence if she died two years before. But I believe Rowling will find a way to explain this. Rubbing his hands together, he turned to address the other detentionee. In general, in the case he reveals to be Corvus V, my feeling is that Abernathy doesn't know it yet. Regarding the French Ministry, I had the feeling that NewTina's difficulties in approaching the zone of Lestranges' Record were disproportionate to the (seeming) ease Vinda Rosier+Abernathy encountered. Read the Reddit post for more. You'll see. Does it refer to the raven on his family crest? I'm still not sure how to interpret the predictions of Tycho Dodonus, but this fits with the part about "return, great avenger with wings from the water". So who is he? Grimmson also, however, secretly received instructions from Gellert Grindelwald to kill Irma Dugard, to deprive Credence of the answers he was seeking and to push him into Grindelwald's arms. he met the real Corvus, who is Abernathy. 1883/1884) was a half-blood wizard, the second son of Percival and Kendra Dumbledore, younger brother of Albus, and older brother of Ariana. Simply because I believe he must be alive somewhere, and why not Abernathy who is about the same age, lived in America and we know surprisingly little about his background, we don’t even know his full name. He had all the necessary pieces of a puzzle. Albus, Aberforth, Ariana... Aurelius fits perfectly to this naming trend. Credence was 18 years old in the first movie set in 1926, so he was born around 1908, and Dumbledore is 45 years old in The Crimes of Grindelwald, set in 1927. Notice the Pheonix chick only comes into Creedance’s possession immediately before meeting Grindelwald on the Paris rooftop and at the end of the film the chick only turns into a Pheonix when handled by Grindelwald, who is both gifted in transfiguration and shares a blood bond with Albus Dumbledore.

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